Was it canonically confirmed that he caused the fall of guardia and possibly the death of Crono and Marle? Share and discover cool Chrono Trigger stuff! He shows up in the expanded content in the iOS version and says hes going to raise up a great army in Porre. I really hope so and if they do i hope it will be for the consoles or the DS. All of this is built up during the game by beginning during a period of tension between Guardia and Porre, and explores how it could happen by also showing the Founding of Guardia, presenting it as a conquest of the other human settlements by the first king of Guardia, driven mad by the influence of Lavos via the. Contents 1 Inquiry 2 Theories 2.1 Dalton 2.2 Time Traveler 3 Misconception Inquiry In the cut scene depicting the Fall of Guardia, a long-haired man is shown killing the last defender of Guardia and stealing the Masamune. The two regents, reluctant to fight and kill their own citizens, decided to flee when the invasion was staged. However, one drawing at the bottom of the wall appears to be of a Nu, suggesting that perhaps the heroes of time did visit one another (possibly through the Epoch, if it were not dismantled). This suggests that Guardia did make a comeback, and that perhaps Crono and Marle are still alive and restoring the kingdom to its former glory. Given that Masato Kato states they probably were involved in some kind of incident, and that the lone defender of Guardia is shown being killed in the cutscene, it is logical to conclude that Crono and Marle were killed. When the Mammon Machine was activated, it began absorbing too much power. All rights reserved. 18. r/chronotrigger. Dalton entered the present age and raised a modernized army. Man it must be years since I've come across this! Lucca, on the other hand, might have accepted the change to stay behind (she has dealings with the Porre navy). After I finish the last episode of my "Day After" series I might continue this one. I loved this chrono short! MFS Type 3 Kiryu. The player must defeat it to bring food to the hungry people in the levels above. The man is not Magus. Support Newgrounds and get tons of perks for just $2.99! Bank of England raises UK interest rates to 4%, UKdemand for mortgages slumps as interest rates deter buyers, Labour targets new swing voter middle-aged mortgage man, Bank of England interest rate rise what it means for borrowers and savers, UKmortgage approvals for October fall 10% after mini-budget, Average UK five-year mortgage rate less than 6% for first time in seven weeks, Exodus of first-time buyers puts brakes on UK housing market. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The Fall of Guardia is an event in Chrono Trigger, occurring in the year 1005 A.D. Analysts blamed the mini-budget for the fall in demand for new mortgages to fund house purchases and a dive in the number of households re-financing loans while the prospects for the property market remained uncertain. In the aftermath of these events, the Masamune was taken away by an unknown party. This event was important enough to Squaresoft that they included animation for it in the Playstation re-release of Chrono Trigger. Approvals for households switching their loans to a new mortgage lender fell to 25,400 in January from 26,200 in December, the lowest level since July 2012. Dalton, soundly underestimated, could then strike with a surprisingly massive force. Per page: 15 30 50. An anti-monarcy rebellion might have occurred in support of Porre's more modern and liberal state. Considering that the drawings feature Kid, they were probably done after the Fall of Guardia, by the time she would be able to sketch (with other kids perhaps contributing with drawings). In Chrono Trigger, Melchior is one of the three Gurus of Zeal in the Antiquity. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Firstly, in Lucca's orphanage, several drawings of Crono and the other heroes were made (perhaps excluding Frog and Magus). Did they use swords or guns? Next, the second piece of evidence comes from Lucca's letter to Kid. CHRONO TRIGGER > General Discussions > Topic Details. The Fall of Guardia is an offscreen event that occurs between the events of Chrono Trigger and those of Chrono Cross. You should start it up again. The party's response depends on its members. Fans of the Chrono Trigger franchise will love these spoofs and tributes! That's where my story comes in. Radical Dreamers and Chrono Cross noted an event that occurred in 1005 AD, the Fall of Guardia. But like I said to the previous review, I wanna finish my "Day After" series first. It takes place right after the events of Chrono Trigger. Robo's introduction and the Fall of Guardia. Consumer borrowing plummeted in 2020 during the first and second lockdowns before recovering in 2021, though with a much higher reliance on credit card borrowing than in the decade before the pandemic. What actually happened at the Fall of Guardia? Masato Kato noted that Porre had help from a force outside the normal flow of history. Youre referring to the final anime cutscene and brief interaction in the extra dungeon from the DS CT version I presume. You should definateley continue this story. Samuel Tombs, the chief UK economist at the consultancy Pantheon Macroeconomics, said the figures confirmed that buyers were waiting for a large correction in house prices, and a larger fall in mortgage rates, before re-entering the market. That custom setting on the SNES Classic seems to me to be the closest thing to what playing on an actual CRT looked like. Contents 1 Chrono Trigger 2 Chrono Cross 3 Chrono Trigger (DS) 4 Trivia Chrono Trigger In the year 1005 A.D. a country attacked Guardia and was able to bring it down. Nice touch with making Crono silent and the song at the end. Yeah I made Crono silent because I wanted to stay true to the game since he never spoke in the original. One example is the Jedi from Star Wars, who, though possessing powers well beyond normal sentients, can be killed by normal means if unlucky or caught off-guard. In the playstation version there is an ending showing the fall of Guardia in the year 1005 A.D. but they never explain who did it or how it happened. The Story is great and i have played both versions for the nintendo consoles. The spray of blood meets the attacker's upheld sword, making the weapon and blood appear to be a long scythe. Ive actually been trying to find a way (outside of PSP) to play CC to follow up on exactly this question. I'm not spamming the buttons, and I haven't seen any cutscenes even start at all. However, the fall in January was smaller than in the previous four months, suggesting some confidence was returning to the mortgage market, though at a much lower level than last summer. The one thing that might save this theory is Kato's statement about a force "outside the normal flow of time." It was one of my most successful movies of all time. Only time and a new Chrono game will conclusively tell if they are alive. Approvals at lowest since 2009 bar during Covid lockdown as demand for new homes continues to fall. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos News Guides Reviews . When I booted up Cross for the first time, having only played Trigger a long time ago, and realized this was the Trigger theme rearranged, I had a bit of a momentand that's a dramatic understatement. All Rights Reserved. CHRONO TRIGGER. The Kingdom of Guardia ( "Garudia-koku"?) By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I need to finish it but so far its a pretty good game that fills in the apace between CTDS and CC. Queen Zeal and Schala along with the three Gurus were the only ones at the Mammon Machine's activation. Britains mortgage market has contracted for a fifth month in a row, official figures show, as the jump in interest rates that followed Liz Trusss September 2022 mini-budget continued to trigger a collapse in demand for new home loans. I would love it if u would make more of these flashes. Additionally, Serge and his crew face gun wielding enemies in Chrono Cross, and the battle system behaves normally (that is, they can use a sword again a gunfighter and succeed). Chrono Trigger - Cutscene 9 - The Fall of Guardia 19,856 views Dec 11, 2009 79 Dislike Share Save Madame_Moe 919 subscribers This is the 9. this is one of the best flash animations ive ever seen. Anyway, great job, i'll be waiting for part 2. Perhaps the most important evidence arguing for their continued lives is found in Chrono Cross; both pieces originate from Lucca. This port is awful. If not, what happened to him, he was a great villain to despise. This theory assumes Crono and Marle flee. Anyway thanks for the review! Guardian is a boss in Chrono Trigger. Found in the Arris Dome when Crono, Lucca, and Marle flee to the Future prior to Crono's incarceration, the Guardian protects the food storage area beneath the Arris Dome. Do you have the intro cutscene if you wait at the main menu? Guardian is a boss in Chrono Trigger. Looking online, seems like other people have issues with "some" scenes not playing, but I haven't seen anyone talking about seeing none. This theory has been deprecated, as Chrono Trigger DS revealed that Dalton caused the Fall of Guardia and stole the Masamune. It won Daily Feature, was put in the Chrono Trigger collections page, and made the front page. The raging fire in Truce may have been caused by traditional fire weapons (e.g. This fact verifiably anchors the two in or around Guardia as permanent fixtures of the kingdom. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The original Chrono Trigger ended on a bright optimistic note. If we consider that the entire Porre army, armed with guns and cannons, assaulted the Kingdom of Guardia all at once, it is conceivable by plot convention that the heroes could be overwhelmed by ranged firepower. One of the most controversial tenets of RPGs is the death of players outside of battle. Clicking on the rat "statue" outside the food storage area allows the player to read a memo attached to it, which warns them of the fight against the Guardian. Attacking the Guardian while the Bits remain active causes them to counter with a strong tech. The FMV that reveals the Fall of Guardia plays after the DS version's credits, instead of Crono and Marle's wedding, if the player defeats the Dream Devourer instead of Lavos. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos News Guides Reviews . Thank you Tom Fulp, you fuckin' rock! After the Guardian counts down to 0 from 5, the Bits will reanimate. Nonetheless, apart from the Gurus, Crono and Marle displayed power exceeding Queen Zeal, who was probably (apart from Magus or any historical figures in that civilization) the strongest magic user of normal history until the time of her death. Net approvals for house purchases, which are an indicator of future borrowing, decreased to 39,600 in January, from 40,500 in December. Im not sure how easy it is to find the ROM these days. Heavily too, at that, but never explicitly stated in any form. The cutscenes that are missing are Finding Robo and The Fall of Guardia. Furthermore, the theft of the Masamune could have led to its corruption in Chrono Cross, in line with Japanese superstitions regarding the cleaning of bloodied swords to prevent demonic possession, and how the Masamune was not cleaned when it was taken away. NO, I didn't cryhad damp eyes . Correct me if I'm wrong, guys. Here is part 1 of my new series entitled "Chrono Trigger: The Fall of Guardia". I'm glad you enjoyed the story! In CC, it was hinted at, and in the CTDS remake, you find Dalton in a Dimensional Vortex in 1000AD where you fight (and defeat) him again, where he swears he'll raise an army in Porre to destroy Guardia and get his revenge. The principal, unknown variable in the future of Crono and Marle is the Fall of Guardia. People can't see them on Steam Link either because of that. The best looking emulated Chrono Trigger or any cartridge game I think I've seen is on the SNES Classic, using Hakchi to enable bilinear filtering while disabling scanlines. there easy to skip if your spamming your buttons alot on controllers. So when I was in 600ad and Marle went bye-bye, no cutscene happened, and I'm pretty sure there's one there isn't there? A little on-the-nose since I'm not sure how Dalton would be aware of Porre at this point, but it's a quick "in-between" addition made to CTDS that explains how and why all that took place in one quick bit. Chrono Trigger+, by ThegreatBen, gets its long-awaited update to version 2.6, incorporating the music from Chrono Trigger Soundtrack Expansion version 3.0, and changing around Frog's techs to allow for human Glenn to be used. And yes this was done back in 2004. Using Fire Whirl or Flamethrower is useless due to the Guardian's immunity to Fire. In the playstation version there is an ending showing the fall of Guardia in the year 1005 A.D. but they never explain who did it or how it . Chrono Trigger community on Reddit. We can interpret this to signify that temporal attacks were used against Crono and Marle, akin to Lavos's distortions or the Entity's Gates. Magus would have no motivation to effect the Fall of Guardia, which disproves his involvement. Aside from a simple soldier, who else might he be? Naptha). Subsequent to Lavos' death at the hands of time-travelers, the Kingdom of Guardia was invaded by the Porrean military. This theory assumes Crono and Marle die in battle. Valve Corporation. IF it does not show up after that, then you have a bug. This story is pretty much fleshed out in the fan made Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes game. Nonetheless, fifteen years is ample time to switch weapons in the military, meaning swords still might have been used in 1005 A.D. Porre is shown to be completely oriented to using ranged firepower in Chrono Cross. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). Contents 1 Important Dates Also, i'd like to se Crono stronger on the sequel, he got defeated twice in a row without putting up much of a fight. Thanks for the review! Separate figures from the Bank of England for consumer borrowing showed a 1.1bn rise in credit card balances to take the total across all consumer credit in January to 1.6bn, double the previous month and the highest since June 2022, when it increased to 1.7bn. Do they need to be enabled or something? This established him as a member of the royal family, and perhaps next in line to become king. It took place 20 years after the events in CT but really had nothing to do with the original game. Characters who could take on an endless horde of enemies and are level 99 are nonetheless susceptible to death by plot necessity or convention. From Chrono Wiki, a database for the Chrono series that anyone can edit, https://www.chronowiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fall_of_Guardia&oldid=38203. The Bank of England said the drop in January took the number of mortgage approvals to the lowest level since 2009, which followed the 2008 financial crash, excluding the dramatic drop after the first Covid-19 lockdown in 2020. This man may be a time traveler. One simple possibility is that the children used photographs. Furthermore, the Present day of the game is 1005 AD, the very year Guardia is fated to fall to Porre. With high interest rates since the September 2022 mini-budget, the prospects for the UK property market remain uncertain. Lucca, the inventor of . only in cross/DS trigger, i.e. )Though freed from captivity by Schala and Janus, our heroes are swiftly exiled and sealed off from the magical kingdom by order of the Prophet. He gets out of the Dimensional Vortex into 1000AD and does exactly what he says, which accounts for the fall of Guardia cutscene in the CT remakes and why Porre is an advanced superpower in CC who razed Guardia to control the Zenan mainland. It was an awesome game in its own right but as a sequel it was somewhat of a disappointment. Are Crono and Marle still alive? Update: Changed the name of this series to "CT: Fall of Guardia". All others should be there. When Cross came out, I dont even think the game designers mentioned Dalton at all, so if anything they were only throwing ideas about what role Dalton could fill as a central figure. #1. rats eating the "corpse" of a rotting machine. Within the letter, Lucca speaks of her friends in present tense. Subsequent to Lavos ' death at the hands of time-travelers, the Kingdom of Guardia was invaded by the Porrean military. Squaresoft being Squaresoft could not let that stand. What implications does the fall have for the two heroes? The correct answer is that it was canonically hinted at. CHRONO TRIGGER. In line with the Rise of Porre article, this man may be Dalton, shunted to the present by the Gate atop the Blackbird. The presence of raging fires in Truce at the Fall of Guardia cutscene may suggest the use of artillery or other modern incendiary devices. I'm scared to check the cache of my game, for fear of losing the save, because they obviously didn't do a good job programming this Keep telling people. Since Lucca speaks of Kid's mannerisms, it had to be written after the Fall of Guardia (Kid would only have been one year old otherwise). How could Crono, Marle, and presumably Lucca, powerful warriors and users of magic, be defeated by the Porre army? If not, what happened to him, he was a great villain to despise. Thanks for the review! Porre's new standing as a military power was confirmed in Chrono Cross, along with the downfall of Guardia, as mentioned in passing by Radius. Frequently Asked Questions: https://bit.ly/moifaqSong Ballot: https://forms.gle/XVXA8eUcjSp3nMEcA---Track 40/60 from Chrono Trigger the Musical! Britain's mortgage market has contracted for a fifth month in a row, official figures show, as the jump in interest rates that followed Liz Truss's September 2022 mini-budget continued to . 109. The famed Masamune was lost in the altercation. If Crono and Marle were dead, and Ayla and Robo had returned to their eras, how could the children know what they look like to draw them? Definitely a bug. In the PlayStation release of the game, an end-game cutscene depicted soldiers dueling with swords in Guardia Castle, flame and destruction in the city of Truce, and an unknown presence pulling the abandoned Masamune from the ground in what is believed to be the "Fall of Guardia". In the cut scene depicting the Fall of Guardia, a long-haired man is shown killing the last defender of Guardia and stealing the Masamune. Through Masato Kato, we also know that Crono and Marle might have been in some kind of incident during the fall, and that Porre probably had help from "outside the original flow of history." It's also important to note that Crono and the others would have dealt with Dalton several times in the past, and may have considered him less of a threat than he really might have been. By marrying Marle, Crono apparently became prince (evidenced by his crown in the wedding). Norris, the commander of the Black Wind, has also trained much of his life in using weapons, and the soldiers around Termina curse the outdated knights. Perhaps the forces of Porre were able to turn the citizens of Truce against Crono and Marle. From Chrono Wiki, a database for the Chrono series that anyone can edit, https://www.chronowiki.org/w/index.php?title=Guardian&oldid=44370. This page was last edited on 21 September 2011, at 23:55. Because the Guardian really doesn't have that much HP, it should be defeated after 2-3 rounds of the strategy outlined above (assuming one isn't going for a low level run). #1 < > Showing 1-1 of 1 comments . And, now that SE has given hints of who caused the fall of Guardia, will you use that for the sequel? Sep 27, 2020 @ 7:56am Originally posted by Lightbox: The cutscenes that are missing are Finding Robo and The Fall of Guardia. The Fall of Guardia marks the invasion of the Kingdom of Guardia by Porre in 1005 A.D. and the theft of the Masamune.After Chrono Trigger, Dalton fell into the Dimensional Vortex, then plotted to destroy Guardia as revenge upon Crono for denying him the power to rule over antiquity. Will the interest rate rise trigger a stampede for tracker mortgages? Join the fight at the Arena for the AgesParticipate in ForumsHelp with the StubsCrimson Echoes Namespace. Square actually did make a sequel to Chrono Trigger entitled "Chrono Cross". These problems cause this theory to rely on plot convention, which does not do justice to the strength of Crono and Marle. Was it canonically confirmed that he caused the fall of guardia and possibly the death of Crono and Marle? All rights reserved. is the primary human kingdom in the world of Chrono Trigger. We resort to theory to speculate on their destinties. The Fall of Guardia, first depicted in an FMV in the Final Fantasy Chronicles edition of Chrono Trigger, was most likely caused by Dalton himself - in the DS re-release, after beating him as Once-King Dalton, he says "I'll raise the greatest army the world has ever seen in Porre, and use it to wipe your pitiful little kingdom off the map!" Trivia By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Newgrounds accounts are free and registered users see fewer ads! Found in the Arris Dome when Crono, Lucca, and Marle flee to the Future prior to Crono's incarceration, the Guardian protects the food storage area beneath the Arris Dome. However, it is obviously apparent from other frames that he is not wielding a scythe. I'm only basing this on some prior knowledge with Cross, which wasn't a faithful sequel. so are there any animated cutscenes still missing in this version or are all of them included? Also included is a trailer to FFVI: The Day After - Part 15, coming this year. Finding themselves back in their own time, Marle (or rather, Princess Nadia) encounters the Chancellor, who sheds some light on the circumstances regarding her mother's death, sending the princess into a furyCredits -Music by Yasunori Mitsuda and Nobuo UematsuOrchestral Versions by Malcolm Robinson (https://www.youtube.com/user/MalcolmRobinsonMusic) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZr0wag1pyA) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWUn0NA5BKM)Marle: Chi-Chi (https://www.youtube.com/user/chisanaAi)King Guardia: Wallium (https://www.youtube.com/user/GentlemanWalrus) Chancellor: Alex Rybitski (https://bit.ly/AlexRybitski)Art by Kylie-Ann (https://www.youtube.com/user/DreamsVeon/)Mix by Marc GardnerMix: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J_0qT_p4dBGyKb1ALDdZcBlpVo8q3vwv/view?usp=sharingLyrics by Alex Beckham (https://www.youtube.com/c/alexandervonkoopa)Footage by Suraht (https://www.youtube.com/user/Suraht)Outro Music: Memories of Green Orchestral by Fenix Ark Angelus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61R3ePzml_g)Art (Without Music) can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3p5r2o8yjgwqdh1/AAAXPoWBoXqfTY9A46QB9lHEa?dl=0 However, this theory does not jive with the ranged weapons of Crono and Marle -- their magic. 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