It seemed like most people of my parents generation that I knew had a living room for visits, and a den for family.). These two used to be good friends who were easy with each other. Now should the advice-giver start badgering me to see whether I followed their advice, thats something else again. Well, is he Northern European or from the Northeast Atlantic Archipelago? Other people find it a very productive way to be, however. It was a slight point of contention, because she had to put in unavailability requests (and had her rosters) two months ahead, whereas Im lucky to have my roster a week in advance. Maybe he honestly was en route to shower with rubber duckie and towel, but, well. All attempts to set boundaries have failed, and these attempts have actually led to her being punitive toward me for trying to tell her no or set a boundary with her about anything, and this exhausting, selfish boundary-stomping is why, when I do move away, which I have been trying to do for TEN GODDAMNED YEARS while very, very poor and very, very un(der)employed, chances are very good that she will be completely and utterly cut off until she dies. ". I MIND! Also I dont care how YOU (or the poster above you) feels about the underwear on my floor, Im still picking it up before anyone comes in. She suffers from anxiety and depression so I understand why this is but finding a balance between pestering her and having any contact at all is proving hard. No extras!. I think, overall, this is one of those situations where theres no one solution, like Everyone Must Always Call In Advance And Schedule Plans And Never Drop By. Let your life and worth ethic speak for itself. Although Ive occasionally had friends who would text me while standing on my doorstep, which, interestingly, is worse than either showing up unannounced or texting ahead of time. Saying Would it be alright if I stop by for a bit in ten minutes? I keep thinking about going and finding the car and asking them to cut it out. All the adults in the household work full time, they have kids, they have pets, they have physical disabilities couple any one of those with feelings of shame over a cluttered or messy living space, and youre there. She almost immediately told me something along the lines of, "Great, when should we meet up at your house to play?" I announced a Rule that anyone who shows up early is working, and the next time those same bachelors showed up early, I handed each one a chore. than be the person at the event where people are grousing Why is she here?/Who invited her?/Nobody did, she just invited herself!. You get your period " Honestly why the f*ck doesn't he have tampons?" "Oh my god, my. I said yes! I am so glad asking this question because its one Ive also had, although in my case Im on the other side of the fence Im friends with the mom, and her daughter likes my kids, but they cant stand her. Frequently saying no is going to cause problems with even the most dedicated Asker, so the prudent course is to say it strongly once, even if the idea of occasionally saying yes isnt awful. Its like I had been taking math tests all my life under the impression that being good at math meant that I was supposed to just intuit the answer, and that doing anything to figure it out was cheating and then finding out that Im allowed to actually use math! Ive drifted into the no stopping by my place unless plans were arranged in advance/there is an emergency field, and I think it was because when I was growing up, there was a family of relatives who would come over to our house, unannounced, sans invitation, CONSTANTLY. Or maybe I just had other plans for the next hour and now Im going to be behind on the day. Excellent advice from the Captain. ! when someone shows up unexpectedly, and I only attend events I have been expressly invited to. the idea that not being invited in no way reflects your relationship with that person? I hope I didnt give the impression that I think its all up to the rejected party to take the hint. Hilariously, when he came to pick me up recently he was going to come to the door and ring the bell, but Id seen the car drive up and was ready to go. understanding what the other person wants you to do or say about it But, these are very close friends; if they sent me the same thing Id be comfortable with a love to see you, but Im not changing out of my jammy pants or brushing my hair type of answer. In re: not knowing stuff is happening, I think that, a lot of the time, is a function of how plugged in you are to a persons day-to-day happenings, whether in the meatworld or on Facebook or what-have-you. But you were not invited to this house for dinner and the fact that I am able to feed the person I am dating when they come over does not mean I am able or willing to extend my food budget to cover whatever rando happens to turn up at the door. Especially all-day things. Does anyone else feel really weird even discussing plans with someone if you arent inviting them to join you? They will say yes or no and you will figure something out. Though I am just now recalling that in the small town where my partner grew up, just dropping by unexpectedly and saying hi is weirdly totally normal. Thats just me though and I appreciate its different for everyone. Hell no!! But NONE of my other friends do this, at least not after the first time. Ask if you can sober up at his place for some time. (I have no qualms about putting the dogs outside if I spot proselytizers or door-to-door salespeople coming down the street, but I wont put the dogs out if someone is already inside the yard.). I know, but like I said up thread, Ive had a couple of friends in the past who would in fact regularly cancel that close to whatever-it-was, so I got in the habit for a while because I couldnt trust that plans were real. I dont see whats wrong with this type of text (or phone call) in general, though if a person has anxiety about getting texts / phone calls, I wouldnt do it so as to respect their feelings. It seems like every time Im breastfeeding the baby topless I hear my MIL calling, hello? from upstairs. Its like that one time Johnny England went a wandering without saying when that one time was. Plan to visit? Finally I think he invited you because he might want to spend a few good times with you like watch a movie or maybe he wand to do the next step to kiss you or just tell you he likes you or something. What we can do is trust the LWs perception of their own life and their own relationships prior to this point. It infuriated me. People arguing to come over when I dont want them. Number 1: All of this. But I did start noodling around on Twitter more recently, and all of a sudden I started getting more invites from my friends who use Twitter as much as I do. If Im not specifically invited I assume Im not invited. I came down to help full-time, 24/7, with my grandmothers care; sadly, she died a while back. Its uncomfortable for the non-invitee, as well. I mind people looking at my mess! But the script Id suggest for other events is, Cousin, this is really awkward, but we planned for a specific number of people and Im afraid we just cant have you over this time. I agree I dont want someone showing up at my house unexpectedly without calling ahead. As people get to know me, they learn that its usually best not to give me advice unless I directly ask for it (because if I want it, I will). The world has changed to respect those peoples boundaries, rather than requiring those people to (JUST) lower their boundaries to match yours. Her depression means that sometimes shit just doesnt get done, but her mental and physical health outweigh the need to vacuum or wash up. I dont think it was all or nothing when I was a kid. You are not stupid. To me this seems rather mean-girlesque. Asking someone over to hang out at your house is much more personal if you ask him in person -- when that's possible and practical. Agreed, although as you say I understand why some people can avoid it, with the cleaning and entertaining. Im actually good at reading body language and other social cues, when everyone around me isnt lying to me all the time.. It reminds me of waiting in for a parcel, or the electrician. Inviting yourself over to people's places is frowned upon, at least in many Western cultures. Maybe. Let that one go, ok? Wow. Weekend, so chance to sleep in and do chores. In this situation there's likely an unofficial standing offer where anyone who's interested can show up. Imagine you are friendly but not close friends with all of these people, and lets look at whats good inviting yourself and bad inviting yourself behavior. If you try TWICE to schedule something with someone you dont know very well. (i am forever accidentally hurting peoples feelings, i often dont even realize for weeks. I am so so glad I never lived in those days, and that people who know me understand that Hello friend, I am here now, drop the thing you were doing and climb stairs and corral pets and get dressed if you werent wearing something street-appropriate and break your focus because after all, it will only be for a chat on the front porch! does not fill me with joy. Yeah, there are lots of reasons somebody might feel like they need to clean for hours to have people over. People Have neighbors. I have appointments, errands, etc.). Growing up society has taught you that most men prefer to be initiative takers and it gets scary when a woman takes the lead. Ive found its best to assume people are of the former type until they explicitly tell you theyre the latter. I mind the mess! I like to be able to decline social invitations. Housemate observed that I probably wouldnt come if I wasnt sent an invitation. WITHOUT offering up an alternative or making a visible effort to make something happen. This tactic has become so commonplace that many police departments counsel residents to always answer the door via intercom or by asking what the visitor wants (while keeping the door closed). And if I get somewhere ridiculously early I will go walk around the block several times until Im actually expected, or go to a coffee shop or something. If this were a healthy friendship, that would be fine. Some things, like the wedding situation below, I get. all my friends to do. I am not good at dealing with such people. Speaking for myself, personally, a same day text or phone call that says Im going to be in your area, are you free to hang out later for a bit? from a friend is more than fine but an unannounced and unexpected knock on my door, like, Hi, Im already here here to hang out with you! is pretty strange. As cute as it might seem that he's thinking about you at 1 a.m. on a Saturday night after he's left the bar with his buddies and wants to see you last minute, it's not cute at all. Visits are preceded by five days of anxiety, and followed by days of needing to be loved, and held, and told that I am a good person, and that my parents are shitlords. NEVERRRR, Its just that my family builds onion layers of forbidden feelings, and it was impossible to guess which ones you were supposed to notice & do something about and which ones didnt exist. Once, I answered the door, lights out, my girlfriend and I in pajamas and on drugs and, Im really high right now and was not expecting you, was not enough to deter about 45 minutes of awkwardly hanging around the living room answering curious questions mixed with small talk. Want to hang out? I expect that this is remarkably relevant to the whole I need to clean because someone is about to visit issue these days, houses are smaller than gentry-and-nobility houses, and we mostly dont have parlors separate from living areas. Instead, find out what activities they like, and invite them to do something you both enjoy. But something like a board game night or a party where everybody but one person was invited, yeah Id avoid that because it seems mean. 1.4. not to say you should construct an elaborate web of lies, just dont go on and on about it. I dont think either method is wrong, but its hard to make them compatible. And its also a problem you can fix, without awkwardness or hurt feelings. It doesn't have to. I really disagree with that, for two reasons: 1. This might just be me though, I come from a conservative latinx household, so even the thought of constantly being over at someone's house is a bit uncomfortable to me. Oops, LW I just realised I misread that, and you are friends rather than workmates. Maybe LWs friend has been waiting for just this opportunity. So much this. You cant be expected to magically divine that someone means no if you asked and they said yes. I second the excellent advice and on a side note, that movie is hilarious. I so need to have more people over so this happens more often. However, we dont live near Vacation Place, so we never get invited to their places, its always them wanting to show up when we arrive. Coming over last minute and late at night isn't romantic. Especially ride-share to that conference, carpool, etc. No kidding. want to come down and get food? and its not a problem (or at worst ill say, whoa still in bed but come up and ill get dressed and then we can go.) and ive had friends who say you walked by my apartment? And I thought she didnt because she didnt answer my texts. I want to come to stuff, but I dont log in that often so I miss a lot of posts.. Guys are simple creatures, but it can still be frustrating trying to get them to do what you want. She still isnt invited and she still isnt coming in. Absolutely not for me to drop by but also not for other people to drop by here. For the chronic advice-givers, this usually takes me repeatedly saying I know youre trying to help, but Im just venting right now so I dont want advice, thanks. I used to get REALLY angry about it, but eventually I realized that most people arent my horribly abusive family: they are genuinely trying to help, and will stop once you tell them that its not helping, rather than continuing until you start crying uncontrollably and agreeing to do whatever they say. So. The exception would be for a traditional date. I mean, math can still be hard, but its sooo much easier than solving math problems WITHOUT doing math, haha. I personally would have been thrilled if OP had dropped by to show off their new bike but clearly that doesnt work for their friend. Be confident and approach the situation with success in mind. Im also getting the sense that things are shifting between us a bit is there anything I can do to help our friendship be as comfortable as it used to be?. Otherwise, leave your card with Jeeves, and Ill return your call at my earliest convenience. Im inattentive-type ADD. I didnt know I was invited! It didnt affect our friendship negatively at all, just clarified a boundary. It was obvious she was expecting an invite, but shes not a friend an acquaintance at best. They may have to deal with a tag along dragging down their group. I know its immature, but I dont want to cut all ties, and I have to deal with them in some kind of way that doesnt make me feel so anxious and on edge. Im actually good at reading body language and other social cues, when everyone around me isnt lying to me all the time. Anyway, youre describing this as though everyone knows whats expected, which is what I disagree with. Amongst my good friends, I am not ever upset when they invite themselves over, we are close, and it never bothers me. You could get his favorite game and ask to play at his house. . Me: Goodnight, Britney. She used to do this thing where she would text that she was in the area but never in a way that left me an option on hanging out. Cookie Notice He only ever is here for 15 minutes and hes been my husbands friend for more than 20 years so I dont feel as if I can be as agressive about my boundaries as I normally am. If you really think you're a faster swimmer than me, you'll have to prove it. If the LW did the same here, e.g. Whereas I would be absolutely fine with a call or a text from the driveway but ringing my bell without warning runs the risk of sending me into an anxiety spin. I know that shame cleaning exists and I am not trying to make anyone feel bad or shamed and I apologize if I did that. All it proves is that you didnt get an invite to that event. hut it's in the files, of course." They had got back to the door . I am always super nervous that when I say hey, can Boyfriend come along to this big group thing were doing? that people say yes just to avoid social conflict and they all actually are pissed or something. Repeat as necessary, adding I do not want you to drop by unannounced. Yeah, this! I dont tend to have long Facebook/text/IM chats with people, I use those things mostly to send direct invitations when Im making plans. People actually try to invite themselves on your vacations? Good one AthenaC! Yes, and it is impolite to place that responsibility and discomfort upon them merely because one isnt very good at picking up on social cues. On the individual level as well. Your script(s) are: That sounds nice/Are you looking forward to it/Where is it/I hope there are no diaper cakes., Person#2: Ive got to clean the house, were having people over on Sunday., Red light means stop. Im also kind of allergic to planning sometimes because I have no idea if Ill be having a depressive episode or some other shenanigans that day and have to cancel, and I dont want to be known as that person who randomly flakes on everything. The less long term friend events planning I can do, the better. Do you need to get past the 3rd date first? Either way, the fact is that they arent making you a priority, so stop scanning no for signs and traces of a yes. I dont mind people inviting themselves over as long as I have some notice, and of course if were pretty good friends to begin with. Its just no longer prudent to do so, unfortunately. Especially since I kind of see him as a big brother to me. 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