the big companies are pushing 6.5 creedomr and others 6.8 which is like a 270 to make money. We offer rifle ammo in a number of calibers including 223 REMINGTON, 30 CARBINE, 300 WIN MAG, 307 WIN, 308 WIN, 375 WINCHESTER, 5.45 X 39MM, 7X64MM and more. At 100 yards it will hit with 1861 foot-pounds of energy. cases and .357-cal. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Contrary to what Gen Z shooters might think, traditionally styled lever-action rifles are not just relics or a way to get your cowboy fix. LEVERevolution bullets, unlike most bullets with pointed tips, are also safe to use in rifles that have tubular magazines (like the Marlin 336). My own 94 Winchester is coming out of the safe this year, freshly adorned with a new front sight and rear peep from Skinner Sights; even middle-aged eyes get a new lease on life, and Im having lots of fun from the bench with my old friend. As Barnes puts it, the .35 Rem. In 1987 Remington made an honest cartridge out of the .35 Whelen. of energy at 200 yards, dropping 7.5 inches when using a 100-yard zero. The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. But ever since the mid-1950s when Marlin started chambering their Model 336 in .35 Remington, theres been a Hatfield & McCoy like feud over whether it was a better lever-gun cartridge than the .30/30 Winchester. Most only in imaginations. But trajectory is a foolish way to compare cartridges typically used at distances inside 150 yards. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. was simply a .308 Win. I can certainly see the Midwest deer hunters making a switch to the 350 Legend over any of the .40 to .45 caliber cartridges, as the 350 Legend offers the Goldilocks just right formula: a good balance of striking power and ease of shooting. Richard Mann was born and raised in West Virginia and has hunted from the Montana mountains to the green hills of Africa. In the real world, hunters can find the .30-30 loaded with projectiles between 125 grains and 170 grains, and the .35 Rem. The 243 Winchester has a longer overall length and uses a longer case length than the 223 Remington. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. Shootability vs. .35 Rem. Today, most major manufacturers offer multiple actions chambered in .30-30. At this time, Henry and Marlin are the only two companies Im aware of that produce new rifles in the cartridge. The most common load is a 200gr round nose soft point traveling between 2,000 and 2,100 feet per second. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. The 223 Remington has an overall length of 2.26 and uses a 1.76 long case. This helps support the blog and allows me to continue to create free content thats useful to hunters like yourself. This Mossberg 26B bolt-action rifle in .22 caliber belonged to my dad, Robert Elmo Babington. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. As much as its a .30/30 vs. .35 thing, it might be just as much an East vs. West, thing. The range of bullet weights available (not to mention the diameter of each cartridge) put the .30-30 and .35 Rem. The 35 Remington also uses a bullet about 18% heavier and with over 35% more frontal surface area (.1007 vs .0745 square inches). Introduced in 1906, it was originally chambered for the Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle in 1908. G. gunswizard. check. History [ edit] Winchester introduced the .351 SL in the Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifle as a replacement for the Winchester Model 1905 and the .35 SL. For those close range shots, the trusty old .35 Remington has few equals. In this article, Im going to conduct a detailed analysis of the .35 Remington in an effort to cut through some of the myths and misunderstandings out there regarding the capabilities of the cartridge so you can make an informed decision regarding whether or not you should hunt with one. FMJ bullet at 1,870 f.p.s. Size Chambered in everything from the 22 Long Rifle to the 45/70 Government, theres nothing on the planet a lever gun cannot handle. were to go head to head with the .25-35 Win., .30-30 Win. Naturally, this resulted in performance compromises and the .351 WSL is not nearly as powerful as the .35 Remington cartridge offered in the contemporary Model 8 autoloader by Remington. For most loads in either cartridge, hunters shouldnt expect to reliably take game past 200 yards. Mag. was introduced in 1955. Theyre real deal hunting rifles honored and appreciated by those who hunt with their feet as opposed to feet-per-second. Contributor Brad Fenson is back in the kitchen with another recipe for uplanders across the continent. The .243 Win. Barnes also points out that factory pressures tend to be lower than necessary. Both of these .35 Remington ammo choices offer slight improvements over typical factory loads. Why the .35 Rem. Originally loaded with a 160-grain bullet, today 150- and 170-grain loads are the most popular, but ammunition loaded with bullets as light as 125 grains and as heavy as 190 grains is available. that bullet is 19.5 grains for a MV of 1904 fps. This is partly due to the wide availability of ammo and partly due to the cartridges extended reach. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. and .351" JSP bullets. The exception to that rule is Hornadys LeveRevolution ammo line, which uses a pliable tip on a spitzer bullet to afford a much flatter trajectory in both cartridges. I can The result was the .350 Legend. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. It was a gift from my father for my 15th birthday, andat least to the young man who received itmarked a passage into manhood. The rim diameter is .407" The old timers that designed big cartridges like the 35 Remington knew what it took to kill big game like elk and moose not to mention deer in brush along river banks. Both cartridges are eminently shootable. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Winchester action. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. Area Code: 724 . For .30-30, the same search produced 5,841 results. It used to be that you couldnt find an eastern deer camp without a .35 Remington in it. Mag. Modern reloaders will have trouble finding .351 WSL brass Lyman mold #350319. It was not designed for a lever-action rifle. Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. The .358 Win. plowed fresh ground. The ability to smack the snot out of big game animals like black bear and wily old whitetail bucks is what really matters. Even the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington load retains 1711 foot-pounds of energy at 100 yards. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. Like most of our Caliber Battles, the choice here is between a lighter bullet going faster (the .30-30) and a heavier bullet going slower (the .35 Rem.). The best answer to the question might be to just get one of each. Likewise, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington can sustain 1711 foot-pounds of energy for a 100-yard distance. cartridge Winchester chambered in the Model 1894. The .30/30 has probably done just about everything that can be done with a rifle. As a result, the cartridge does not have a very flat trajectory. The maximum load is 19.5 Winchester autoloaders of the time could not accommodate Before we get started, I have an administrative note:Some of the links below are affiliate links. Introduced only two years apart, the .223 Remington and the .243 Winchester couldnt have come from more different neighborhoods of the firearms world. Federals Power Shok, for example, pushes a 200-grain bullet 2,080 fps. The muzzle velocity was stated to be 1850 fps and the muzzle energy 1370 ft. lbs. Deriving its name from a combination of the caliber and the powder charge (.30 caliber, 30 grains of powder) the .30-30 was introduced in 1895, in the John Browning-designed Model 1894 Winchester. The .351 Winchester Self-Loading (also called .351 SL or .351 WSL) is an American rifle cartridge designed in 1906. Americas Other Levergun by Glen E. Fryxell, The Great Model 8 & 81 by Richard Jones,Bullet Frontal Area List, by Chuck Hawks, andtheLyman 50th Edition(p309-310) andHornady 10th Edition(p682-683) reloading manuals were used as references for this article. grain jacketed soft point (JSP), round nose bullets. For instance, Remington also sells 150gr load that produces velocities around 2,300 feet per second. and the head diameter is .380". The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. would follow that tradition. I double lunged a buck with a 225gr. Hornadys LEVERevolution pushes the performance up a notch with a 200-grain pointed bullet at 2225 f.p.s. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. By contrast, the .35 Rem. Copyright 2009, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. Bottles & 12-oz. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. Buffalo Bore also produces 220gr loads that they claim reach a velocity of 2,200 feet per second (2,364 foot pounds). Boxes of 20 can be found in the $25 range while the .35 Rem. .351 cartridge enjoyed a rather long production life. Instead, it was first chambered in Remingtons Model 8 auto-loading rifle. barrel. usually costs closer to $45 for a box. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. You can never lead if you always follow; the other cartridges were designed to chase Winchesters success, while the .35 Rem. Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. Of the four rifle cartridges introduced with the Remington Model 8, the .35 Remington was by far the most popular and is the only one still in production. It will handle black bears and feral hogsas will the .35 Remingtonbut sourcing ammunition is far easier if you own a good old thutty-thutty. The .35 Remington uses the 180- and 200-grain .358caliber bullets, and while light-for-caliber, they are effective at the ranges a .35 Remington is used, which is usually inside of 150 yards. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. The Winchester 351 self-loading rifle is amazing, and unique enough to add true value to your gun colle. We have V-MAX, Polymer Tip and Soft Point bullets for Hunting, Varmint and Small Game Hunting. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. A .35 Rem. The .35 Remington initially found favor among hunters seeking a good brush bullet and many deer, bear, elk, and even moose have fallen to the .35 Remington over the years. Keep in mind that most hunting ammunition currently sells for an average of $28 to $32 per box. The .35 Remingtons story is a bit different. Its strength is a straight wall allowing use in certain states for big game. In 2015, Mann began contributing to Field & Stream to cover guns, ammunition, ballistics, and hunting. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. Mag..243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington.25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum.338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum.30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington.257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. projectiles, and by designing 350 Legend to. If we compare the .300 Win. Mag. Outside that area, I feel that the sheer number of rifles chambered for the .35 Remington will assure a steady supply of good ammunition, fulfilling the role the .35 was designed for. Bottles & 12-oz. The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. | Most commercially available loads for the .351 SL launched a 180 grain .351 caliber bullet at between 1,850 and 1,925 fps from a 20-inch barrel, yielding identical muzzle energy to the .30-30 when fired from a 20-inch barrel (rather than a manufacturer's long test barrel). I remember in Washington in the early 70s my older brother pulled up in his truck with the biggest elk Id ever seen. Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remingtonthat popular woods rifleis much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. starting load is also 17.0 grains and the MV 1658 fps. Spl. The .358 Norma Mag. The .35 Remington was extremely effective in that role. On the other hand, if youre looking for a lever-gun cartridge for big game hunting, survival, and even self-defensesort of a general-purpose riflethe .30/30 is the way to go. It is capable of driving a. Mag. Both come in light, handy rifles that are a pleasure to carry in the forested mountains and wooded areas where these guns shine. The .30-30 Winchester and .35 Remington wont break any speed recordstheres no doubt about that. An experimental Thompson submachine gun was also made to fire .351 SL in 1919 but was never produced commercially. and the 6.5 mm Rem. 351 Winchester Self-Loading Ammunition for Sale. A typical 35 Remington factory load (200gr bullet at 2,080fps) has about 5% more energy than a normal 30-30 factory load (170gr bullet at 2,200fps). Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. The Big Game Hunting Blog is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.ca, Amazon.com.au, and other Amazon stores worldwide. The .30/30s dominance as the king of lever-cartridges is also clear when you look at available ammunition. As a matter of fact, that may have been the first campfire cartridge argument I was privy to; if only those gentlemen wouldve realized the fire theyd kindled. Other Remington posters publicized the ability of the cartridgeto penetrate a 5/16 of steel plate, a feat the .30-30 Winchester could not match. My mom made the best elk pot roast, Outstanding article. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. has "far better knockddown power than the .30-30 under any conditions and at any range." remains in production. Mag. Winchester offered .351 WSL factory loads loaded with 180 grain jacketed soft point (JSP), round nose bullets. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. The benefits of .350 Legend are that it is indeed inexpensive and produces lower recoil. Remington introduced the .35 about 10 years later in 1906 alongside their Model 8 semi-automatic rifle. Joined: Feb 2010. It is believed that. The .35 Rem. Though a 150-grain spire point load was offered for a whilespecifically for the old magazine-fed Model 8sthe standard load has long been a 200-grain round nose bullet. goes slower, but not by much. The longevity of both cartridges speaks to their efficacy on game, and their compatibility with short, light carbines makes them popular among hunters in thick brush. The original load of the cartridge propelled a 200 grain, .35 caliber, bullet at just under 2,100 feet per second. Curious how the new .360 Buckhammer will be received by the market. But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. The .35 Rem. The Deer Season XP load from Winchester, using the 150-grain load at 2325 fps still has 903 ft.-lbs. Still, much like the old man who can rattle your teeth with a punch, appearances can be deceiving. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. The .35SL proved popular at first with the general public as a short-range deer and black bear hunting cartridge, but was soon superseded by the introduction of the more powerful .351SL in the Winchester '07. lcw #12400267 11/15/17. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. Winchester model 1907 in .351 winchester. Many now consider the .35SL inadequate as a deer round, but it may still be suitable . However, even after 123 years on the market, the .30-30 Winchester remains the king of medium caliber lever guns; it has been in the top ten selling cartridges for Federal Premium to this day, and with millions of rifles out there chambered for the cartridge, that will probably be a fact decades from now. The .351 SL cartridge used an unusual bullet diameter of .351 instead of the .357 or .358 more commonly used in .35-caliber rifle cartridges. Cartridge overall length is 1.90". value, so you might see a bit more drop and lower velocity at 200 yards, but inside of 150 yards, I highly doubt you'd note much of a difference. WINCHESTER model 1905 in 35 Cal. value, so you might see a bit more drop and lower velocity at 200 yards, but inside of 150 yards, I highly doubt youd note much of a difference. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? The .35 Remingtons heavier and larger diameter bullets just seem to make critters fall down faster. has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. For a while Savage chambered it in the Model 99, and I am still looking for one I can afford. If you own a .270, your buddy probably owns a .30-06. A major online retailer only lists four loads for the .35 Remington but lists 35 different options for the .30/30. It wasn't and isnt a long-range cartridge, but at distances inside of 125 to 150 yards, the .35 Remington surely gets the job done. from my E.R. The .35 Remington (8.9 x 49 mm) is the only remaining cartridge from Remington's lineup of medium-power rimless cartridges still in commercial production. Most ammunition makers have a 200-grain load, and Remington also has a 150-grain load with a muzzle velocity of 2300 f.p.s. Admittedly though, I was cheering for the .35 Rem. These strengths along with the Marlin 336 ease of carry (foot or horseback) and its open iron sights make it possibly the best bear protection firearm out there. The original .30-30 load used a 160-grain bullet and topped out at 1,970 feet per second (fps) at the muzzle, according to Frank C. Barnes Cartridges of the World. Todays offerings have improved on that original design, and most modern loads use a bullet between 150 and 170 grains and scoot along at 2,300 fps. Posts: 16,091. The 2019 SHOT Show saw the release of the latest cartridge from Winchester: the 350 Legend. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. The .30-30 Winchester has the unique claim of being the first cartridge designed to run on both black powder and the revolutionary smokeless powder. Anything about this rifle they must have not manufactured very many hunters tell me it is rare to see the cartridge in this caliber from a Remington model 600 I do like this rifle it is very accurate and fun to shoot. In a modern bolt-action rifle, hand loaders can achieve velocities of 2,400 fps with a 200-grain bullet, making the .35 Rem. A very small number of Winchesters legendary bolt-action pre-64 Model 70 rifles were manufactured in .35 Remington as well. .35 Remington This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. It has far more knockdown power than the .30-30 under any conditions at any range. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. is a classic Army brat. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. clearly more powerful than the .30-30. I tried three of Winchesters five loads at SHOT Shows Industry Day at the Range, and all were a pleasure to shoot and plenty accurate. Just $1 per month . That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. My first was a Winchester Model 94AE XTR in .30-30 Winchester, that timeless rimmed cartridge that has accounted for innumerable amounts of game. Particularlywhen used in a high quality rifle, the .35 Remington is capable of pretty darn good accuracy and Ive shot many nice groups with an off the shelfRemington Model 81. Of the Winchester cartridges, only the .30-30 Win. The 200 grain bullet has an advertised muzzle velocity of 2,225 feet per second and a muzzle energy of 2,198 foot pounds. in 1957 and .351 ammunition was offered for several years after that. All rights reserved. More importantly, everything it makes has the performance to match. 1907 Autoloading Rifle. Hunters like how it hits hard and makes a big hole. Re: 35 Remington vs. 358 Winchester. I've been told that Winchester will soon produce full-metal-jacket (FMJ) ammunition for the .350 Legend, and that the FMJ load will cost even less per box. and a .30-06 produces about 20 ft.-lbs. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. Winchester introduced the .351 WSL in 1907 for their Model vs. .458 Lott7mm Rem. Mag. 1.380" long that uses small rifle primers. 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Using a 180 grain JSP bullet, Lyman data shows a starting Versatility If youre hoping to save your wallet rather than your shoulder, the .30-30 is the way to go. This combination offers an affordable, hard-hitting rig which is capable of taking most common game animals, albeit at short range. load of 17.0 grains of IMR 4227 for a MV of 1400 fps. Visually, the .351 looks like a somewhat larger version of the familiar .30 Carbine round and, although the .351 is the more powerful cartridge, it is useful for similar purposes. Technically, the .35 Rem. The .358 has 24 percent more energy at the muzzle than the .300 Win. .30-30 Win. Remington made great efforts to promote the power of the .35 Remington by featuring the cartridge, along with their revolutionary new semi-automatic rifle, in many advertisements during the first half of the 20th Century. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. The .351 SL proved popular with police and security forces as the only chambering available in the model 1907, and was used by France in both world wars. Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. Im old enough to remember when the lever guns were still highly popular among deer hunters, and my own rifle, as shiny and unproven as it was in comparison to the older gents worn pieces with bluing rubbed off and stock finish dulled by the elements, was a source of pride. The .30-30 only produces about 10 foot-pounds (ft.-lbs.) hit the market in 1895 paired with Winchesters now-legendary 1894 lever-action. Seller: GUNNER308 . Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. Main Image: 3035-5: Marlins model 336 is one of the few rifles available in both .30/30 Winchester and .35 Remington. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Thanks for your support. has far better knockddown power than the .30-30 under any conditions and at any range.. The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. Winchester is among the leaders in the entire ammunition industry in terms of high-volume production of both .223 Rem. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. Book an outstandingAfrican safari hunt here. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. I would also expect it to handle anything in North America from deer to the big bears. Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. Out west and the .30/30 is the king. Usually, Id give the nod here to the .35 Rem., and theres no question it hits harder. Are you just itching to take a rifle chambered in .35 Remington on a hunt? The Creedmoor is the hottest cartridge on the planet. Remington introduced the Remington Auto-Loading Rifle (later known as the Remington Model 8) in 1906. Even when using loads on the upper end of the performance envelope for the cartridge, the .35 Remington still has a relatively slow velocity and low ballistic coefficient. And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. figure of .256 versus the 200-grain .358s S.D. Campfire Ranger. The 35 Remington also uses a bullet about 18% heavier and with over 35% more frontal surface area (.1007 vs .0745 square inches). Whitetail hunting strategies for the next generation. 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